Source: Kathy Hoover

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I received the following e-mail from Kathy (Stacy) Hoover on December 15, 1996.

Hi, Joel.  My name is Kathy (Stacy) Hoover, and I've been researching my
father's family tree for about three years now.  I came across your page
and found some very interesting information.  My great, great grandmother
was also named Sarah Jane Lipe.  She was born 9/12/1847 in Jackson Co., IL,
and died 5/18/1914.  Her parents were John and Nancy Lipe; John was born in
1798, probably in North Carolina, and Nancy was born c. 1807.  We do not
know Nancy's maiden name or place of birth.

The Sarah Jane Lipe who is related to me married Leroy E. Winchester
(12/4/1839 - 6/22/1899), a Civil War veteran, on February 23, 1867.  They
had the following children:
	Nancy (b. 6/1/1868)
	Joseph (b. 7/11/1870)
	Ruth (b. 6/29/1873)
	John (10/23/1875 - 3/26/1960)
	Frank (b. 5/24/1877)
	Mary (b. 6/27/1880) - my great grandmother
	Bertha (b. 10/5/1883)

I found it surprising that the Sarah Jane Lipe in your family had parents
by the same name and that both John Lipes were born in 1798.  Have you come
across my Sarah Jane in any of your research?  This almost seems like too
much of a coincidence for there not to be some sort of connection.  Please
reply when you can and let me know if you have any thoughts about this. 
Thanks!  Kathy 

I received the following e-mail from Kathy (Stacy) Hoover on December 19, 1996.

     I do have quite a bit of information about John and Nancy Lipe and
their children.  Here goes!

     From the 1840 Jackson County, IL, Census:
	Lipe, John; living with one male under age 5, one male between 5 and 10,
and one male between 20 and 30; also living with one female under age 5, 2
females between fifteen and 20, and one female over the age of 30.  My
assumptions are that the female over 30 is his wife Nancy, who would have
been about 33-35 that year.  She was 7-9 years younger than John, as you'll
see in the rest of the information.

     From the 1850 Jackson County, IL, Census:
	Lipe, John	Farmer		age 52		b. KY, c. 1798
	Lipe, Nancy			age 43		b. TN, c. 1807
	Lipe, Johnson(?)			age 18		b. IL, c. 1832
	Lipe, Thomas			age 16		b. IL, c. 1834
	Lipe, John W.(?)			age 13		b. IL, c. 1837
	Lipe, Nancy			age 11		b. IL, c. 1839
	Lipe, Julia A.			age 8		b. IL, c. 1842
	Lipe, Nowles(?) f.		age 5		b. IL, c. 1845
	Lipe, Sarah			age 3		b. IL, c. 1847
	Lipe, William			age 1		b. IL, c. 1849

     From the 1860 Jackson County, IL, Census:
	Lipe, John	Farmer		age 62		b. NC, c. 1798
	Lipe, Nancy			age 55		b. NC, c. 1805
	Lipe, John			age 24		b. IL, c. 1836
	Lipe, Julia			age 19		b. IL, c. 1841
	Lipe, Noah			age 15		b. IL, c. 1845
	Lipe, Sarah			age 13		b. IL, c. 1847
	Lipe, William			age 10		b. IL, c. 1850

     From the 1870 Jackson County, IL, Census:
	Lipe, John	age 33	b. IL	Ridge Twp.	Farmer $2000 Real Estate
								$200  Personal
	Lipe, John	age 72	b. NC	Ridge Twp.	Farmer $2000 Real Estate
----------								$200  Personal
	Lipe, Thomas	age 35	b. IL	Makanda Twp.  Farmer $2500 Real Estate
							           $500  Personal
	Lipe, Thompson age 37 	b. IL	Makanda Twp.  Farmer $2500 Real Estate
							           $40    Personal
	Lipe, Thomas	age 38	b. IL	Makanda Twp.  	Farmer $2000 Real Estate
								$500  Personal

     As you can see, the ages and names match pretty well.  The Johnson(?)
from the 1850 census could easily have been Thompson; either the
handwriting or the quality of the original copy of the document could have
caused the confusion.  The birth places of John, Sr. and Nancy, however,
change from KY and TN to NC for both.  I have not pursued this further back
into any of those states.  If you come across any other information about
them, please let me know, and I'll do the same for you.
     Kathy

I received the following e-mail from Kathy (Stacy) Hoover on December 21, 1996.

     I do have some more information for you on the Lipes.  This came from
the Jackson County Historical Society in Murphysboro, IL.  I don't have
access at home to the 1850 or 1860 censuses, and I only have copies of the
indices for 1870 and 1880.  However, I have found some Lipes (or Lypes) as
far back as 1820!  Here goes:

     1820 Jackson County Census:
	Henry Lype, age 21-44, w/ 1 male under 10, and 2 females under 10
	     (No female over age 10 is listed; wife may have died)
	George Lupe(?), age 16-21, w/ 1 male under 10, and 1 female 26-45
	John Lype, over age 45, w/ 4 males 16-21, and 1 female over 45
	Leonard Lype, over 45, w/ 2 males under 10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 
26-45, 2 females 10-15, and 1 female over 45. (This name starts a new page,
as well as a new way of categorizing ages.)
	John Lype, 26-45, w/ 1 male under 10, 1 female 16-25
	Jonas Lype, 26-45, w/ 1 male under 10, 3 females under 10, and 1 female
26-45.

     Also from the 1820 Census:
	Sam Eatherton. 21-45, w/ 1 male under 10, 4 females under 10, and 1 female
16-25.
     The 1820 Census has 3 different ways of categorizing ages.  The two
mentioned above along with: males under 21 and over 21, females under 18
and over 18. Slaves were also listed in every category, but fewer than 40
were listed in all of Jackson County at that time.

     1830 Jackson County Census:
	Solomon Lipe, age 20-30, w/ 1 male under 5, and 1 female 20-30
	Daniel Lipe, age 20-30, w/ 1 female 20-30 (If you see the actual sheet,
it's pretty hard to read.  Whoever transcribed it originally recopied the
line above it, then went back and wrote over it.  I think I deciphered it
correctly, though.)
Does this fit with the information you have on Daniel Lipe?  Or could this
have been your Daniel's father, i.e. Sarah Jane's grandfather?  Or your
Daniel's uncle?
	George Lipe, age 30-40, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 male under 10, 1 male under
15, 1 female under 5, 1 female under 10, and 1 female 20-30
	Evan Lipe, age 20-30, w/ 2 males under 5, 2 females under 5, 1 female
under 10, and 1 female 20-30
	Aaron Lipe, age 30-40, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 male under 10, 1 male under
15, 2 females under 5, 1 female under 10, and 1 female 20-30
     Also from the 1830 Census:
	Micajah Etherton, age 30-40, w/ 2 males under 5, 1 female under 5, 1
female under 15, and 1 female 40-50  (I assume this is the Micajah whose
Probate you have a copy of.  Does this info fit with what you already
know?)
	Samuel Etherton, Sr., over age 80 (yes, 80!), w/ 2 males under 5, 1 male
under 10, and 1 female 20-30.  
	(No Sam, Jr. is listed in the 1830 Census, but keep reading.  It looks
like he's back in 1840.)
	Samuel Etherton, III, age 20-30, w/ 1 female under 5, and 1 female 20-30

     1840 Jackson County Census:
	Solomon Lipe, age 30-40, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 male under 10, 1 male under
15, and 1 female 20-30
	John Lipe, age 20-30, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 male under 10, 1 female under
5, 2 females under 20, and 1 female 30-40
	Ester Lipe, age 20-30, w/ 2 males under 5, 2 males under 10, 2 females
under 10, 1 female under 15, and 1 female 30-40
	John Lipe, age 30-40, w/ 1 male under 5, 2 males under 10, 1 female under
5, 2 females under 10, 1 female under 15, and 1 female 20-30
	Daniel Lipe, age 30-40, w/ 3 males under 5, 1 female under 5, and 1 female
20-30

     Also from the 1840 Census:
	Thomas Etherton, Sr., age 50-60, w/ 1 male under 10, 3 males under 15, 1
female under 15, and 1 female 50-60
	Thomas Etherton, Jr., age 30-40, w/ 1 male under 5, 2 females under 5, and
1 female 20-30.
	William Etherton, age 20-30, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 female under 5, and 1
female 20-30
	James Etherton, age 20-30, w/ 2 males under 5, 1 female under 10, and 1
female 20-30
	Samuel J. Etherton, age 50-60, w/ 1 male under 5, 1 male under 10, 1 male
20-30, 1 female under 5, 1 female under 10, 1 female under 15, 1 female
20-30, and 1 female 50-60  (This is really interesting.  Too old to be Sam,
III; too young to be Sam, Sr.  Could this be the missing Sam, Jr. from the
1830 Census?  Did he get skipped that year?  Move away for awhile, then
return?)

     I notice that Micajah Etherton isn't listed in 1840.  If the probate
wasn't until 1848, he should have still been alive and listed if he was
living in Jackson Co. when they took the 1840 Census.  Was the probate
filed there?
     I don't know how much genealogy you've done, but the more I do, the
more mysteries I find to solve.  It's a good thing I love puzzles!

Pressing on!
     From the 1870 Jackson County Census Index:
	The following Lipes are listed as heads of households: Aaron Lipe, 41;
Edmond Lipe, 36; Jane Lipe, 39; John Lipe, 33; John Lipe, 72; Mary Lipe,
39; Peter Lipe, 40; Riley Lipe, 44; Samuel Lipe, 46; Solomon Lipe, 68;
Thomas Lipe, 35; Thompson Lipe, 37; and William Lipe, 38. 
     There is more info on these heads of households, but I'll just give
you Thompson for now.  He was born in Illinois, lived in Makanda Township
#246 in 1870, made his living as a farmer, owned $2500 worth of real
estate, and claimed $500 worth of personal property.  Let me know if you'd
like this info for anyone else on the above list.
     
     From the 1880 Jackson County Census Index:
	The following Lipes are listed as heads of households:  Aaron Lipe, 42;
Daniel Lipe, 21; Delily J. Lipe, 49; E. Lipe, 53 (Possibly Edmond, though
the ages don't quite match); Edward R. Lipe, 47; Edwin Lipe, 46; George
Lipe, 34; Iven(?) Lipe, 29; James Lipe, 51; James E. Lipe, 22; John Lipe,
Sr., 30; John W. Lipe, 43; Martha Lipe, 52; Riley Lipe, 42; Sampson Lipe,
47; Samuel Lipe, 54; Solomon Lipe, 76; Wilbern Lipe, 48; William Lipe, 30.
     I think the Sampson listed here may be Thompson.  The ages match, and
there was some confusion about his name in the actual Census; I wrote it
down when I was at one of the libraries in Southern Illinois, which had a
copy of the Census, not just the index.  
     Anyway, here's the rest of the info on him.  He was born in Illinois,
married, lived in Makanda Township #236 (not the same as Thompson in 1870,
but close), and made his living as a farmer.  Although it lists the states
of birth for the parents of most of the heads of households in the index,
Sampson's line is blank there.  Maybe the transcriber couldn't read it, or
whoever talked to the census taker didn't know.  Again, let me know if you
want details on anybody else on the 1880 list.  
     I hope this helps fill in some of the gaps.  If you are ever in
Southern Illinois, check out the Jackson County Historical Society in
Murphysboro and the Brehm Public Library in Mount Vernon.  Both places are
great sources of information.
     Good luck!       Kathy 

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Date: 1996-12-15

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